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logovo ([personal profile] logovo) wrote2009-09-11 01:13 pm

That word might not mean what we think it means.

Reading some stuff today I saw several people talking about aca-fans (acafans? AcaFans?) and I'm starting to wonder if they mean the same thing I'm thinking when I hear acafans, as in actual people in academia, writing, publishing, teaching or fanlore's entry. Are people now using that word interchangeably with fans who are just into meta? Anyone else getting that impression?

Also, I still haven't watched SPN and I'm trying not to read spoilers but I'M FAILING SO BAD. Because I'm weak and impatient.
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[personal profile] rodo 2009-09-11 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I've seen three different definitions for the word, actually, though I've only ever seen the first articulated. The others were just implied by the way the word was used.

1) academics who are fans and publish about fandom/fannish topics
2) academics who are in fandom (regardless of whether their academic interest is in any way related to fandom)
3) fans who are into meta/intellectuals
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[personal profile] isagel 2009-09-11 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Hasn't it always been a bit of an insult, coming from some quarters? The academic approach seems to stomp all over some people's fun, though I've never understood why.
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[personal profile] rodo 2009-09-12 07:16 am (UTC)(link)
No, not a new trend. It's at least two years old. I first noticed it in 2007, and yes, it can be used in an us ("real fans") vs. them ("those who are harshing our squee") sense.
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[personal profile] isagel 2009-09-11 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I would say that #2 is the definition I mostly use in my head. I only realized fairly recently that to a lot of people apparently being an aca-fan implies publishing about things related to fandom. I always took it to mean being a person with an academic background who brings the tools they've acquired in that world into their interactions with fandom/fannish texts. It's the ways of thinking, to me, rather than the specific acts of doing "real" research on fannish things. (I would consider myself an aca-fan according to definition #2, but not according to #1.)
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[personal profile] trobadora 2009-09-11 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen it used in senses #1 and #2 fairly frequently, but #3 seems to be on the rise lately, and I don't like it at all. :(
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[personal profile] rodo 2009-09-12 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't notice any increase in #3. It was actually the one I encountered first, and that was at least two years ago.
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[personal profile] mmanurere 2009-09-13 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
There might also be a 2.5 -- fans who have a background in the humanities but who aren't currently working in academia, or fans working their way into academia (undergrad and grad students in relevant fields). A bit distinct from "fans into meta", but not quite "show your PhD to gain entry" (or the sometimes not-so-veiled "you have nothing relevant to say until you have tenure").
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[personal profile] lotesse 2009-09-13 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd got with your 2.5 definition - mainly because it's the one that allows for my own existence! But I do think there's a genuine difference between people applying academic frames/terms to fandom, and those of us getting terminology from both academic humanities and fannish sources.
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[personal profile] mmanurere 2009-09-13 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm in the same position -- working on a second bachelor's before grad school, but still trying to live up to the standards of the field.

I'm also with you on the difference between people taking an academic look at fandom from the outside and people who are fans with some level of academic background bringing the two together in one way or another. In academia it seems to lead to people writing about fandom who have a much more nuanced understanding; and in fandom it helps with the process of collective self-reflection.
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[personal profile] laurajv 2009-09-13 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
#3 is weirding me out, and I think it's getting more and more common. I'm not sure where it started.

Someone used it to describe me a while ago and I could not even deal. Hi, not an academic!